that the wts is nothing more than a business is painfully obvious in the way many brothers seek 'positions'.
i was always highly doubtful of the 'appointed by holy spirit' bs that we were always fed.
appointments often came down to who kissed up the most to the decision-makers.
good point, outnfree.
It is political ambition that gets a lot of these cats noticed. The WTS tries to say that since these appointments are prayed over on the congregational level during the CO's meeting with the elders and on an organizational level when they are prayed over at the GB/service committee meetings for recommendations that holy spirit plays a role. Complete and unequivocal BS.
how many have read the report 1034 from nazi germany?.
this was hitlers thought that jw's were preaching.
the bible and not giving in to him as the rc's and other .
fascinating thread. Pushing it up..........
i have always felt that requiring sisters to wear headcoverings was assinine.
jehovah won't strike you down for not wearing a headcovering".
word gets back to the co on his next visit that i don't let sisters wear headcoverings at the bookstudy when they read and he reams me out for it.
It's as if they're trying to say that the prayers of women are invalidated in the eyes of God without a damn headcovering. New and creative ways of producing BS........
i have always felt that requiring sisters to wear headcoverings was assinine.
jehovah won't strike you down for not wearing a headcovering".
word gets back to the co on his next visit that i don't let sisters wear headcoverings at the bookstudy when they read and he reams me out for it.
It's interesting you mention that a woman with a headcovering is one who should be recognized and served by angels and men. Well the WTS certainly miscontrued that one, huh. They have always thrived on going out of their way to make people feel insignificant.
i have always felt that requiring sisters to wear headcoverings was assinine.
jehovah won't strike you down for not wearing a headcovering".
word gets back to the co on his next visit that i don't let sisters wear headcoverings at the bookstudy when they read and he reams me out for it.
I have always felt that requiring sisters to wear headcoverings was ASSININE. I remember I had a bookstudy I conducted and we really didn't have any qualified brothers around at all or who COULD READ. So I had a sister read. The first week this happened she couldn't find a headcovering so decided to use a napkin. A GOT-DAMN NAPKIN. I said that's OK, "take the napkin off. Jehovah won't strike you down for not wearing a headcovering". From then on I really didn't even require that sisters wear headcoverings at all. Word gets back to the CO on his next visit that I don't let sisters wear headcoverings at the bookstudy when they read and he reams me out for it. He states that there are more parties involved. The sisters teach the angels submissive respect for the organization by wearing a headcovering. At the time, I just nodded my head all the while thinking that this is complete and utter BULLSHIT.
Before I went to Bethel, I pioneered with a mature group of sisters and found that they were really at the pulse of the congregation. They knew the territory, were more adept at the doors than most of the brothers, and knew the appearance of the flock. Sure you had a couple of gossipy sisters and some that were married to moron elders and assumed an unofficial elderette status, but for the most part the group of sisters that I pioneered with were very mature and would have made excellent elders if they were men. Very practical and down to earth. Whenever I went on bible studies with them I would open and close with prayer and intersperse MEANINGFUL comments in between but I always recommended that they conduct, especially if I didn't know the student well and I would never insist on a GOT-DAMN headcovering.
Pioneering with these sisters made me more compassionate of people's needs and more approachable. Even years later at Bethel many approached me because they felt comfortable and that I would listen. I often wondered how my previous congregation would've been if sisters were given more of a voice. They would keep the ball rolling until the weekends then the elders would come out and bark commands, micro-manage everything and just fuck the place up. I would have loved to have seen a couple of these mature sisters give talks from the platform or sit on judicial cases because they were so well-grounded and adept at using scriptues more than the brothers at the hall.
I remember another experience wherein we used a sister to coordinate and collect parking tickets for the district convention and collect the monies (when we used to do that). She was good with numbers and very dilligent. Enter the CO who comes in for his visit and is livid that we're using a sister behind the counter "where only brothers should be" to collect money and take parking ticket orders. He ends up reaming us out and making us assign a brother to the job. The brother later completely FUCKED THINGS UP and me and another brother had to come behind him.
Brothers were always encouraged to reach out for positions but what of sisters? Unless you married a CO or a DO, the pinnacle was the pioneer work or serving where the need was great. At Bethel you would have sisters trying to do what they could to help propel their husbands up the corporate ladder. Many however lamented that they felt empty and unfulfilled. Many of their talents went to waste.
this may have already been discussed in this or other forums and i may have missed it.. in another thread chipster mentioned something about coming up for reappointment after a move.
especially if i was coming up for reappointent after a move.
it has always been a puzzle to me why a brother should have to be reappointed to his position after he moves to another congregation.. i have never heard anyone complain about it.
The whole reappointment-when-you-move-to-another-congo thing just verified the fact that Holy Spirit did NOT play a role in the process. I've known brothers who have received favorable recommendations from their previous halls sit for years at their new ones. Again, it all boils down to how much you pucker those lips to kiss those boots.
as soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
Up..........
as soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
up.......
here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry.
i usually find something that i dig in everybody's post around these parts.
but i'll single out some peeps in particular.
Here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry. I usually find something that I dig in EVERYBODY'S post around these parts. But I'll single out some peeps in particular. This is an appreciation post.
JT, Metatron, AlanF & Maximus: Bringing you the inside scoop on things.
LDH: I've been following her posts since the witnet days. I'd go so far as to say that a lot of her posts are what inspired me to start posting here.
Kent & Comf: Straight-forward cats, but are man enough to apologize whenever they go to far. Appreciate that.
Bigboi: My dawg........yeah.....
Simon: Balanced, stabilizing force here.
joelbear & jschewn: Interesting perspectives on things.
Mulan, VeniceIT, TeeJay: Know how to have a good laugh.
Fred Hall: For making me NOT regret wanting to leave the ORG.
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few peeps. But everyone I've listed off the top of my head (save for FredHall) are Must-See-TV-type posters for me. Dig a poster. Post who and what you dig about their posts.........
post title - jungle fever in the borg or inter-racial relationship dynamics in the borg.. back in the the day inter-racial relationships were frowned on, especially if you wanted to advance spiritually (climb the corporate ladder).
i remember at bethel a few of the brothers in service department used to always tell brothers that it would be beneficial to marry in their own race if they wanted to be used in the circuit work.
the premise was that the society is not biased but rather the world is and to avoid conflict, they only prefer to use couples of the same race.
Mulan said: Does this only apply to blacks and whites interracial marriages? We had a CO, in 1974, who was Chinese, married to a white gal. They had been in the work awhile when we had them too. Maybe that mix didn't matter the GB.
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It was mainly applicable to Blacks and Whites. They were a little more open-minded when it came to oriental mixed marriages.
Bwoga said: Some of the most prejudiced people I ever met were JW's....elders included...
Yes, indeed sweetie.........
